06.21.06
Who really wants Chen recalled?
On the face of it, this sounds like a really stupid question. Every poll that has been done has shown a significant percentage of people who want Chen Shui-bian recalled (the percentages vary - usually reflecting the bias of the pollsters). However, I’m not talking about real people, I’m talking about politicians. It is, of course, axiomatic that every politician bases everything they do on self-interest. When Ma Ying-jeou said “Let me make it clear, the recall drive isn’t a political power game. It aims solely to attain responsible government.” all I could do was admire his deadpan sense of humour.
So, which politicians want (i.e. would benefit from) Chen Shui-bian recalled? Well, let’s look at what would happen if he were recalled:
President Annette Lu
If Chen is recalled, then the current Vice-president Annette Lu will immediately take over and serve out the rest of Chen’s term (i.e. until May 2008). That would mean:
- Someone who is a much more outspoken advocate of Taiwanese Independence than Chen has ever been would be president.
- Someone who is even less of a diplomat (more abrasive and less likely to compromise her principals to get agreement) would be president.
- A recalled Chen would lose nearly all his control over the DPP. Given that Chen is generally hindering reform and progress in the DPP now, that could only be good news for the DPP (and so bad news for the KMT).
- Despite the fact that Chen won’t be running in 2008, one of the KMT’s likely trump cards in that (and the preceding Legislative elections) would have been ‘look how badly CSB has cocked things up’. With Chen long-gone, this is much less powerful.
- One of Annette Lu’s (few) strong points is her perceived strong personal integrity and distance from any corruption scandals. A godsend to the DPP in their current scandal-ridden mess, but not for the KMT.
- One of the ways that the DPP have won elections in the past was by winding up China and causing them to do something stupid; CSB was a master at this. Although China seem to have wised up to this tactic, the only politician in the world who can rile China more than Chen Shui-bian is Annette Lu.
So, there are plenty of reasons for most pan-Green politicians to welcome a recall. On the flip side:
- The Blues might gain support for ’saving Taiwan from the evil president Chen’. Even if this does happen (which I’m dubious about), I suspect it would only be a short-term spike in support. A year down the line, with politics in exactly the same stalemate as before, I think it will be seen as just another bit of politicking.
- There’s a good chance that Lu will do something irretrievably stupid as president (she has a long history of opening her mouth before engaging her brain).
- If the blues could arrange to recall Lu as well, then they would force new presidential elections. I’m sure Ma would love that - but recalling Lu would be harder than recalling Chen.
To my mind, the advantages for the pan-Greens far outweigh the advantages for the pan-Blues. So we have the odd situation where the pan-Blues are pushing for a recall while secretly hoping it fails, while the pan-Greens are strongly opposing the recall while secretly hoping it will succeed. (That is, of course, assuming the relevant people have thought the whole thing through … which is probably an unwarranted assumption). As I said before: A carnival of idiots.
David said,
June 22, 2006 at 12:32 am
The DPP in 6 years has become the most corrupt govt taiwan has ever seen. What a shame.
I have always supported taiwan independence, but seeing what the DPP leader abian is really up to, sad to say , i’m devastated.
I will support a non-corrupted leader for the Chinese people in Taiwan, KMT majestic superstar Ma Ying Jeou in the 2008 ROC presidential election.
Only Ma Ying Jeou can pull taiwan out of this mess created by abian.
Taiwan Echo said,
June 22, 2006 at 3:17 pm
David: “The DPP in 6 years has become the most corrupt govt taiwan has ever seen. What a shame.”
People who said this is either shameless, or ignorant. I would assume that you
are ignorant. In that case, some google-searchable info might teach you good:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/singjen&article_id=7551387
“Only Ma Ying Jeou can pull taiwan out of this mess created by abian.”
Again, google-searchable:
http://www.dpp.org.tw/elect/pub/News.asp?ctyp=NEWS&catid=3&ctxid=2749
David said,
June 22, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Comment spam
Sigh. I’ve removed a few duplicate ‘CSB bad/MYJ handsome’ comments (just left one by ‘David’).
These come from exactly the same address as the previous bout of pro-KMT spamming on this site. I’m not going to have to block that IP address am I?
Taiwan Echo said,
June 23, 2006 at 12:53 pm
So we have the odd situation where the pan-Blues are pushing for a recall while secretly hoping it fails, while the pan-Greens are strongly opposing the recall while secretly hoping it will succeed.
Nice point of view …
:)
As usual, Taiwan politics offer daily episodes much more exciting than TV does…
The View from Taiwan said,
June 24, 2006 at 3:46 am
[IMG]David at jujuflop has been doing yeoman work chronicling the Carnival of Idiots a.k.a. the recall motion and its associated politicking. I’m swamped at the moment, so visit his excellent posts onWho really wants Chen recalled? and Update on no-confidence vote, in which he discusses some of the constitutional issues. David notes in asking what would happen if Annette Lu, the current Veep, became President: If Chen is recalled, then the current Vice-president Annette Lu
Terence said,
June 25, 2006 at 1:44 pm
It seems that the advantages to the pan-greens in the recall seems to outweigh the pan-blues.But one must note that if the recall succeeds,it would mean a victory made by the pan-blues,especially the People’s First Party who were more determined than the KMT to recall the President.It would mean like a “legacy” in toplling the president.James soong would get his political fortunes and Ma Ying-jeou rides on it.
As what the pan-greens always rebutted,it is an obvious power-grabbing attempt by the KMT.Ma Ying-Jeou’s popularity would definitely doar if thew recall succeeds.
And it is not far topaint the DPP as the most corrupt govt in Taiwan?what about the KMT;s legcy of corruption?KMY memebers are equally corrupted.
A Disappointed Person said,
June 29, 2006 at 9:57 am
I don’t think Taiwanese are capable of building a reasonable society. The first democratically elected government turns out such an incompetent one.
A leader and a responsible government are meant to bring the country to a better future at a higher plateau. You can judge all presidents by what they have achieved. If you are blinded by your own emotion and bias, nobody can help you.
Taiwanese are yet to prove they are capable of building a better future achieving higher standards. In doing so, they have to promote their own qualities. The kidnapping and killing of hostages showed the society being greedy, cruel, selfish, cold, and indifferent. Political bickering does not help and does not address the root causes.
Please do not respond to my e-mail. I have no interest in getting entangled in bitter quarrels. I am only stating my view point: “Leaders have their qualities. So far, the qualities in those ‘leaders’ on Taiwan are disappointing.”
kevin said,
January 12, 2007 at 10:39 am
“People who said this is either shameless, or ignorant. I would assume that you
are ignorant. In that case, some google-searchable info might teach you good:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/singjen&article_id=7551387”
because it’s from someone’s blog, it must be right. What a genius!